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AVK

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Different nymping techniques
« on: May 18, 2010, 06:01:41 pm »
Hello, everybody! Just wondering what type of nymphing do you prefer to use at local streams. I know it depends on the conditions but still...I`m back from a short trip to Willowemoc. My first time there, not very productive, but I saw nice fish all around. Unfortunately didn`t have enough time to enjoy fishing. Normally I fish with nymphs on a short line, somewhat like Polish/Czech style. Never use a float. This time the water was low and very clear, and I guess a different way to approach fish was needed. Long rod and a light long leader with nymphs fished upstream - French style as they call it. Have anybody tried it on local streams?

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 07:34:19 pm »
Hi Avk,
I done some french nymphing with a buddy last season, and a couple of times this season. Takes a bit of getting used to. I didn't find it any more effective than regular nymphing, though I was doing it on the Esopus in heavy fast water. I think it works better in slower shallower water, where the nymphs don't have to travel as far to reach the fish.  I like the coilie though as an indicator for regular nymphing. Normally I use about 2ft of coloured line tied into the leader, but the coilie is the business it picks up everything. I have about a dozen of them cooling their heels in the freezer.

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 07:40:33 pm »

French nymphing, is that legal?  :o

Just kidding, I have no idea what that is.  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 10:10:46 pm »
Hi Avk,
I done some french nymphing with a buddy last season, and a couple of times this season. Takes a bit of getting used to. I didn't find it any more effective than regular nymphing, though I was doing it on the Esopus in heavy fast water. I think it works better in slower shallower water, where the nymphs don't have to travel as far to reach the fish.  I like the coilie though as an indicator for regular nymphing. Normally I use about 2ft of coloured line tied into the leader, but the coilie is the business it picks up everything. I have about a dozen of them cooling their heels in the freezer.
thanks for your response! I've just read an article on French nymphing in Flyfisherman magazine. The author says that it is supposed to give advantage when you need to reach a wary fish from longer distance. And it should work better in depths up to 5ft. I want to try this method, so I need to cook my own coilies:-)

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2010, 02:26:34 pm »
Glad you liked the Willowemoc it nice country up there! gotta get there myself this summer .Theres a great spot for swimming and smallmouths in catskill creek by Cairo, forgot exactly but nice driving around up there anyway!23 b and route 41 is as close as I remember used to fly fish for smallies in there and swim to cool off!3 hr drive nice to stay a night, kids would enjoy the zoom floom waterpark!Rockland has Ramapo river for trout think its has its own regulations so check it out.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2010, 09:24:04 pm »
I didn`t realize that Willowemoc has smallmouths..I thought it`s too cold and swift for them. By the way I`ve just tried a slightly different way of nymphing. Upstream with accelerated movement of a rod so that flies sink deeper and roll over stones. It proved to be very effective especially in riffles, gives better contact with flies and helps consistent setting of hook. Sometimes I just pulled fish out of water!

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 12:49:57 am »
AVK, if you come to conditions where the water is clear and low, use a braided leader and use a 6x or 7x tippet.  Also the brand of fly that you use makes all the difference.  It may sound weird but i feel that its true.  For example i use only orvis flies.  They are a little more money but def. worth it because they catch fish.     

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 11:27:13 am »
A also use  Orvis flies almost all the time, and have some nice patterns from Urban Angler. Quality for money, they are. Thanks for the tip. I know in such conditions I should go to 6x and 7x, and that really matters, but I`ve never used braided leaders. One day last season on Beaverkill fishing went much better when I used 6x together with a longer tippet.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 01:14:52 am »
def. give a braided leader (orvis brand) a try.  I really swear by them and use them a lot on the smaller local streams.   They also last forever and turn over flies extremely well. 

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 09:02:01 am »
Do you use these when fishing sub-surface? I'm not sure, but I thought these leaders were mainly used for dry fishing. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2010, 09:17:00 am »
you can use them for subsurface fishing.  the leader will sink if you put to BB weights on the tippet.  I use them for nymphing more than dry fly fishing.  I normally always start at the stream with a nymph and if i see trout taking surface flies i may change.  I'm a big fan of the braided leader. They last forever and really put the fly where you want it.  I have a few sizes of the braided leaders and of the regular fluorocarbon leaders kept in a leader wallet.   

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 11:43:40 am »
I usually don`t use weights on the tippet, rather hevier anchor flies if conditions allow (deeper, faster water). I heard that sub-surface fishing with split shots and small floats was invented by  American flyfishermen. Some purists claim that this has nothing to do with flyfishing. I don`t know. I just don`t use it.
On a different note..Yesterday during three hours of fishing in the same area on the local stream I had opportunity to fish 3 different ways: nymph, emergers and dries. All of them brought fish to the net. I wasn`t sure  about the pattern when they started to rise and splash. No signs of any consistent hatch. So I tried with a Red Wolff and it worked! This was very nice switch from wets to dries. The only thing I had to adjust tackle very quickly. Now I`m even more aware of how it is important to be ready and promptly react to changing conditions.

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2010, 09:03:29 pm »
This is pretty long.  I hope it helps you catch more fish.  It's just another arrow in the quiver.

I have had fairly consistent success short leader fishing using split shot on my tippet on faster flowing broken water.  Riffles, and around rocks, and structure, in plunge pools, and through various lanes in depths of 1.5 to 5 feet or more.  I fish facing upstream, and cast upstream.  I use a 10 foot 4 wt.  I fish nymphs, eggs, or SJW, tied onto 3 to 5+ feet of 6X tippet in turn tied to a 12-15" length of yellow Amnesia indicator (I have 25# - just cause that's what I have) which then is fastened to another 4+ feet of 15#+ mono before connecting to my fly line.  From fly to fly line my leader can be 10 feet or more.  It's kind of a bastard czech style, as my fly is not always weighted.  The small diameter tippet allows the split shot (a very small #8 or #6) to quickly draw the fly down into the feeding lane. 

I cast upstream, and keep my tip high, and lead the current downstream, keeping the line fairly taut and the Amnesia visible (either in or out of the water).  The Amnesia acts like a coiled indicator, when it hesitates ... I lift, and either have the fish, or the bottom.  I find it's a great sighter and its sensitivity allows for most takes to be noticed before the fish spits the lure.  Some may argue that I'm fishing the sinker, and do not see the take, but I would suggest the sinker only gets the fly into the feeding lane (yeah, sometimes I get the bottom muck and have to clean it off, but to me that just means I at the level I need to be - yes I lose a few flies.)

I seldom have more than 5 or 6 feet of actual fly line out of the tip of my pole.  I cast into the closer spots first, and then move progressively through the further feeding lanes, before moving upstream to the next section.  With the broken water, I can get fairly close to the fish (or fishy water) without disturbing them - coming up from downstream helps keep it subtle.  The longer rod allows for a fair reach, and allows for drifts further into the current that may pass by my position and extend a bit downstream.

As for braided leaders, I've never used them. But I would think for nymphing that the leader's bulk might induce drag and inhibit the ability of the tippet to sink to fish level.  The smaller tippet, especially if fluoro - I use copolymer usually - allows minimal drag, and faster descent.  Then again, if the braided leader ends above the sighter, drag would not be an issue and may improve casting.

Weighted flies eliminate the need for split shot.  Bead head PT's, Y2K's, work well especially if tungsten.
Amount of weight depends on flow.  If flow is strong and deep - use more weight.   Sometimes I fish with a dropper - but often get frustratingly tangled and soon abandon that idea and return to a single fly.

That's my present nymphing style.  I hope it helps you catch more fish.

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 12:30:31 pm »
Thanks, bobo, for your useful hints. I know about advantages of a long rod for nymphing..The longest I have is 9 ft. and it`s quite heavy (6 wt). I`ve been fishing small streams recently so no chance for that, even working upstream. I also agree with you it`s helpful to have a built-in highly visible piece of mono in your leader (actually no need for a coiled one, I think) to see more takes. I`m planning to use it next time I go fishing. Another issue is that I`m not experienced enough to quickly find appropriate weight of a fly to match stream`s conditions. It takes several tries sometimes before I find a fly which moves naturally in right lane, at appropriate depth. And I have the same problem as you do with droppers.
To sum up, I`ve learned that there`s a whole variety of nymphing styles. They`re all called different names, you know - Czech, Polish, Spanish, French :) But I`ve also learned another thing - always use what works better for you irrespective of how they call it. So thanks again for your advice!

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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 05:46:14 pm »
You're right finding the right weight for the drift is the key.  That's where I find the split shot helpful, add or subtract till ticking the bottom.    Good luck

PS:  I don't know if you've ever built a rod (pretty easy really), but this site (www.dorber.com) has very inexpensive blanks.  (I'm tempted to build one myself - they've 10 footers in 1 to 4 weight for $66, and 11'6" steelhead noodle blanks for less than $40).  I don't know anything about them - so caveat emptor.  Still, adding another $30 for hardware - you've a nymphing set up for under $100.