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WaukeshaKid

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New Fly fishing gear
« on: June 19, 2008, 03:39:30 pm »
I think its time to buy a new fly fishing set up. the one i have is terrible, it was a $15 special from sports authority. At the time i didn't know anything about fly fishing so i went by price. Big mistake.

Anyway i think i might go for the Genesis combo from Cabelas. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0017452316491a&navCount=2&podId=0017452&parentId=cat20457&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat20431-cat20457_TGP&catalogCode=8IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20457&hasJS=true#chart

(sorry about the long link, i dont know how to shorten it)

anyway what do you guys think? any other suggestions.  I'm going to go with an 8wt for so i can go for bass and the saltwater.

Thanks

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Re: New Fly fishing gear
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 08:33:00 am »
I started with a really cheap rig from Walmart, but the Airport Gestapo in Ireland confiscated it last year, claiming that fishing poles could not be carried on in my carry-on luggage. None of the AG's in JFK or Heathrow had any concern about it, so I suspect they just thought they could get a free fishing pole by claiming it was not allowed. Several companies actually sell "carry on" fishing poles that break down to 5 or 7 sections that fit in a neat little tube, so either Dublin has different laws from everywhere else or I got a particular jerk of an inspector. Do they seriously think I could hijack a plane with a flimsy little graphite stick? What am I going to do, threaten to whip the pilot with it?

This year I moved up a notch to one of the Three Forks combo's from Cabela's, a 6-weight 9 foot pole, and have been very happy with it. I got it on sale this spring for around $100, complete with reel and WF line. You can easily spend a grand on a top name rod and reel, and the difference in performance is probably not much, especially for a beginner. Cabela's entry level poles and reels are just fine for the occasional fly fisher. The model I got is four sections, so it breaks down small enough to fit into a large duffel that can be checked luggage, if I decide to fly with it.

I would say those Genesis combos would be fine. One thing you may wish to consider, is a shorter and lighter pole for stream fishing, if you plan to do that. A nine foot pole can be difficult to handle with a lot of overhanging branches, and a 7 footer is much easier. You can pick up an inexpensive 7 footer and switch reel and line to it if you get something lighter than an 8-wt. For a beginner, "overloading" a "fast" pole with a line 1 or 2 wts heavier may help a bit learning to cast, as you can feel the rod loading up more easily on the back cast. Most modern rods are on the stiff side, rated "fast," so expert casters can really power the line out for 80-100 foot casts. Us beginners don't need that while we are learning how to avoid hanging our flies in the trees and how not to cast the fly into the back of our heads.

If you are serious about salt-water casting, you are likely to want something even heavier than an 8 wt 9 ft pole once you learn how. I have not yet tried it, but I know the folks going for stripers and bluefish in the sound like bigger rigs than that. 

For all around use in our neighborhood, a decent 6 wt 8-9 ft pole is probably an economical start, and those Genesis kits, which appear to be on sale at the moment, would be just right and a very good deal. They seem to contain just about everything you neeed except extra tippet. Save some $$ to spend on all the flies you will end up losing.

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Re: New Fly fishing gear
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2008, 01:35:01 pm »
Wow. Thanks Steve! thats a lot of helpful info.  i can't wait to catch my first fish on the fly. ;D


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Re: New Fly fishing gear (and why everyone should try it)
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2008, 03:01:33 pm »
My pleasure to help.

Ya know, after following this forum for a few months, it is clear that most participants are not fly fishermen, but are experienced in spinner rigs and baitcasters, used on the sound or reservoirs mostly. It highlights an arbitrary and stereotypical sort of class distinction in fishermen, where fly fishing is seen as the more elite sport, for rich snobs. Perhaps there is some truth to that historically, but just like golf, in the past century here in America it has become a sport for all, as much "middle class" as it is rich folks' fun.

Part of the problem is the myth that has been perpetuated that fly fishing is much harder than other kinds of fishing, and a sort of club mentality that views itself as more elite because some wealthy people spend big bucks for the fashionable expensive gear and take trips to exotic places that cost a lot so they can pay guides a small fortune to help them find the perfect trout. This is nonsense. The tools are different, and it takes some time to learn the different technique, but so does getting really good at using a baitcaster or spinning rig in tough spots.   

Anywhere you can throw a lure or a worm with a spinning rig, you can also use a fly pole and catch plenty of fish, once you learn the techniques. Lately in the bass casting world, the buzz word has been "finesse." Fly fishing has always been about finesse, using lighter equipment and smaller lures, and trying to "think like the fish" in terms of how to fool them into eating your lure. It is a real gas once you begin to understand it and can catch the little critters, and the techniques can be generalized to any sort of fish in any sort of water, not just the purist's remote stream trout. We have seen this in the 20th century with the rise of saltwater fly fishing.

Down south, where I grew up, trout are not common except high in the mountains. But flyfishing for bass and panfish, saltwater species, even catfish, has evolved in a very different direction from the traditional Catskills dry fly approaches. That is where I first tried it, learning from my dad on our pond, catching smallmouths. And then I never did it again for thirty odd years. I have caught more fish on the reservoir this year with a fly rod compared to other rigs, even though I have used it less, because it is easy to catch the smaller fish near to shore and surface with a fly rod.

Unfortunately, there are lots of people who want to believe that being a fly fisherman, using only the purest and most difficult dry-fly techniques in perfect wild trout streams, somehow makes them better than all the rest of the angling world, which is just pure snobbery. Ignore those bozos and do what you enjoy with whatever gear works for you.

Fly rods and their dainty little lures that you can tie yourself, if so inclined, are just different tools that allows a greater range of creativity and opportunities for fun when trying to catch fish. I encourage everyone to give it a try. Get a book or take a lesson to learn how to cast, and get an inexpensive kit to start. Those Genesis kits at Cabela's look like very nice and affordable ways to get started. Cost-wise, they are no more than a good spinning or baitcasting rig and a set of lures.   

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Re: New Fly fishing gear
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2008, 09:53:39 pm »
Steve D, again a great post.

I think all things are possible with some work and time invested in technique. Most skills have a learning curve where you feel incompetent for a while but if you stick with it you acquire that skill. You have to be optimistic that the work will give you the results.

I'm still shaky at times with a baitcaster because I don't work hard at the technique. The more I use one and pay attention, the better I am. It's the same with people learning guitar, you feel spastic trying to play certain chords but weeks or months later, they are easy and second nature to your playing.

I know I'll try fly fishing someday, I just want to get proficient at some other things first.

Best Always,
Vinny

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Re: New Fly fishing gear
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 09:12:16 am »
hey steve, check out albright tackle. they're having a 70% off sale. just bought a $125 rod for $37!