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tong

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Beginner needs your advice
« on: November 08, 2011, 12:51:24 pm »

Hello everyone, I am very happy can join the fishing group! I was lucky can get a position in Kensico reservoir this summer. Until now I have been there about 8times, but I only caught fish once, a small size laker. I am so depressed.
I have tried live bait, trolling spoon, jigging and float bobber, no luck. I usually star fishing over there in the morning, and fishing once until night.
I am going to list the detail, I wish experts and everyone can give me some advice and point out my mistakes.

Summer
live bait, I use sawbelly, 6feet 10lb fluoro leader and 1oz sinker to drop the bait to the 60-100 feet range. Sometimes I set a sliver spinning and beams in front of the hook.
trolling, I use dispy diver and spoon. I could not tell my rowing speed, I am hard to say how deep they can reach. Usually I troll two, one magnum dipsy diver and a smaller one. The instruction says magnum can go 100 ft and smaller one can be 40ft.
Jigging, I use crippled herring  3/4-2oz. 5 feet leader.

Fall:
I use float with  sawbelly, no weight. Between hook and float is 5 feet. There is a problem, the bait can pull the bobber moving. It is not still on the water. How big the bobber I should use when I use live bait?


Also I have question about the FF. I am using a hummingbird fish buddy. Every time the screen shows many fish under the boat, consistent fish swimming. And sometimes i can see a coin size fish mark on the tiny screen, and the fish does not move for a while. Does anyone can tell me why? I am thinking the FF is broken down.
If you have some useful link for tips, rigs. I will very happy to learn!
Thank you! :)


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Re: Beginner needs your advice
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 01:34:42 pm »
Welcome Tong!

Although I don't know how to fish for Trout, I have been pretty lucky so far in Kensico when it comes to Largemouth and Smallmouth Bass.  I've caught them close to the shore lines from K9 to across the lake by the power lines.

We have some really seasoned Trout veterans here, hopefully they can chime in soon and help you out.

Good luck out there!

Shawn

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 02:10:52 pm »
Tong

I am no expert by any means, but I have fished Kensico (by boat) for about 16 years.  I am sure many other guys can give much better advice than this, but these are just a few thoughts:

1.  Time of year and time of day.    While you could certainly catch any fish at any time, the odds increase on Kensico based on time you go.    I always do much, much better (certainly for trout) either early in the morning, or in the evening.   Lower light means more fish, at least for me.    Time of year  -   brown trout go crazy on this lake in April, May and very early June, and (in my experience) August and early Sept.    Lakers (since they are so deep) can be taken all year, but in the fall they seem to take and drop a lot of baits (maybe they are in the spawning mode?)     With bass, the time of year has seemed less important for me, although time of day still applies.

2.    Bait.    I know you could catch a fish with a worm or shiner, but I just think nothing outproduces sawbellies, especially on the NYC reservoirs.   They are more expensive, and need a bucket aerator to keep alive, but they are worth it.     Trolling spoons (with leadcore or spinning gear) can also work.    There are many guys on here who could write books about trolling reservoirs.....I only do it a few times a year.

3.   Location.    For bass, I will fish around the fallen trees, the dropoffs (e.g. 5 feet to 20 feet), outside the weedy areas, around the bridge pilings,  etc.       For trout:   Browns seem to roam.   I rarely get them deeper than 30 feet, and almost always while trolling sawbellies with a quick release "Strike guard" on the rod.   Lakers, I usually get them trolling bait right along the bottom, or still fishing right on the bottom.   
     Look for humps, dropoffs, etc.     Without giving away fishing secrets here (everyone knows it) there are dropoffs and humps right out in front of the Rt 22 bridge for example.

4.   Rod/line/setup.     Everyone is different, but I generally fish flourocarbon (or flouro leader) behind an egg sinker (bigger for deeper depth), either on a conventional rod set on "clicker" or a spinning rod with a Strike Guard.    You want the fish to run with the bait freely before you hit them.    If you are trolling sawbellies, hook them so they swim naturally (through the nose, etc.).  (Whole articles could be written about problems hooking sawbellies.....too long to get into).   

     I am not a big bobber fisherman.....definitely not on a boat.   If you are fishing from shore, that is a different story.    If you shorefish with sawbellies, just hook them in the back (so they swim away from shore) as opposed to through the nose like you might trolling on the boat.

5.    Clothes.    I am so damn paranoid about this, but watch out for these ticks.   Spray your legs, wear long pants, etc.    There are as many deer along Kensico as there are fishermen.    Just ask Lionpshark, who is on this website.    A deer practically jumped in his lap this year.      There are those ticks everywhere......you don't want to get Lyme disease.

6.    One thing I might add.....just a personal thing.  Bring out everything you bring in.   That is, dont litter.  (I am not assuming you do).    Too many guys have treated Kensico like the Fresh Kills dump the past 10 or so years.   Please be one of the good guys.

7.    There is great panfishing on Kensico......perch, bluegill.   Just look for weeds, brush, and bring small shiners or worms.    You cannot miss.

8.   Don't feel bad about not catching.   I had a terrible year on Kensico.....just one of those things.      But it can be a killer lake, as it was for many members on this site.

Good fishing, and I hope next Spring (or whats left of 2011) is good to you on Kensico.

Bluefish

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 06:15:12 pm »
Hi Tong,
You asked alot of questions so I'm going to answer two parts;

"Summer
live bait, I use sawbelly, 6feet 10lb fluoro leader and 1oz sinker to drop the bait to the 60-100 feet range. Sometimes I set a sliver spinning and beams in front of the hook."

As bluefish correctly pointed you need a system that allows the fish to run with the bait and hopefully swallow it before you set the hook. With spinning reels you can use a strikeguard and keep the bail open or use one of the baitfeeder type reels. With conventional reel you can set it to clicker or as I prefer a loose drag.  Your bait rig should consist of an egg sinker, not more than 1/2 oz is needed to fish the deepest parts of Kensico, to a barrel swivel to a leader of 3-4ft or so to a #2 short shank bait hook (such as the Gamakatsu octopus hook). All this allows the fish to run before it feels resistance. How are you dropping to the 60-100ft range, with a linecounter or by counting pulls?

"trolling, I use dispy diver and spoon. I could not tell my rowing speed, I am hard to say how deep they can reach. Usually I troll two, one magnum dipsy diver and a smaller one. The instruction says magnum can go 100 ft and smaller one can be 40ft."

I have never had much success with diving planes, be they dipsys, walkers or even jet divers as I believe they are more suited to a steady speed, ie; motorized trolling. I have tried all of them at one time or another. Additonally, you must have a line counter reel to know exactly how much line you have out to determine your depth. I also found that the resistance of a diving plane designed for deeper than say 20/30ft is so great that I need to use stiffer rods. After trying all these I find myself using leadcore the most, and once in a while pull out my downriggers if I feel up to carrying the canonballs to the boat and back.
 
"Jigging, I use crippled herring  3/4-2oz. 5 feet leader."

Crippled Herring is a popular choice although I've never needed more than 1 oz or 1 1/4 at most.

"Fall:
I use float with  sawbelly, no weight. Between hook and float is 5 feet. There is a problem, the bait can pull the bobber moving. It is not still on the water. How big the bobber I should use when I use live bait?"

A sawbelly is a pelagic fish that constantly moves so if your bobber is still that means your sawbelly is dead. So you want the bobber to be moving.
Shiners will also move the bobber although nowhere near as much as a sawbelly. In both cases you should not expect the bobber to "move" only when a fish hits. You should expect the entire bobber to disappear under the water when a fish takes the bait. So I refer you back to the reel system that allows a fish to "run" before you set the hook. If you use a fixed bobber never use those red/white plastic bobbers. Use the all cork torpedo shaped ones, medium for shiners, larger for sawbellies. Or use a slip bobber. Something that produces little water resistance when the fish pulls it under. If using sawbellies with a bobber it is best to have a barrel swivel in there as they are notorious for swimming around in circles and making a birds nest. For that reason, provided the wind permits, I always recommend live lining (aka free lining) them instead.

Ken




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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 10:33:39 pm »
Some of the longest posts I've ever seen. Great info.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 01:42:25 pm »
Thanks for everyone replies! Especially bluefish and KenH. You are so wonderful and friendly! I will remember your advice and go to kensico soon. I am so exciting to catch more fish!
One more question: If I use live bait, do i need set a shiny spinner on the leader to make it more noticeable?

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 01:51:45 pm »
One more question: If I use live bait, do i need set a shiny spinner on the leader to make it more noticeable?

Tong, no you do not.  Less is more sometimes.  These fish are used to seeing the bait naturally and are quite able to find and eat it w/ no additional hardware.

You have been given all the info necessary.  Try it out and let us know how it goes.  good luck.

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 01:18:21 am »
Welcome Tong and thanks to all the members who make the site what it is, a friendly source of local fishing information. Believe it or not but I often feel like a beginner.

With all the wonderful tips I would just like to add that it's still not as easy as it seems in writing. I've seen many fish on my fishfinder who could care less about my sawbelly dangling in front of their noses. Be ready to try different things each trip out. Have your main plan and if it's not working, vary it a little bit and see what happens. Enjoy each trip out no matter the results.

Best to All.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 06:49:20 pm »
Thanks again for everyone's long and useful replies. I did not have luck in last weekend.... :'(
I was using live shiner on a 2ft float rig. I got there about 8am and did not get anything until 11.   So windy day.
My boat is in 10 area. I pasted the map and marked the area I am usually fishing around. Please help me to point the best spot I should go.
And I have other question:
I saw so many fisherman can tell how deep they caught the fish and tell the accurate number, how can I  know how deep did I caught?
When is the best season for trout fishing and when is lack?
Many thanks!

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 07:31:27 pm »
tong, it's not the spot.  2 feet is too shallow.  Look at some of the other posts about Kensico and you'll see what to do.  Others caught fish this weekend, but they were fishing A LOT deeper that 2 feet.

good luck

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2011, 08:54:03 pm »
Tong, you must have been one of the other 2 cars we saw that day.  We saw 2 sedans parked in front of the large bump off the side of the road.  But when we launched, we didn't see anyone come in, must have missed you.

Most people are able to tell you how deep they caught the fish because they have experience with their line, and can estimate how many feet they let out, or they use color code in the special line to tell how many colors/feet they went down.  And finally, an electronic fish finder will be able to tell you how deep the fish are, and hence how far down they were caught.


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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2011, 11:09:01 pm »
Tong,
          Do yourself a favor and re read the whole thread..especially Ken's post..like Montrose said its not the spot..good luck out there...

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011, 06:23:21 am »
Tong,
An easy fix the next time you bait fish is to let one line out about 30 feet with a float on top and on the other line omit the float.
Good luck. Of course you should also invest in a fish finder.
Tom

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 04:21:04 pm »
Tong
You should really read up on the past treads from at least this year. You will learn alot about fishing kensico. Also if you wanted more details I suggest that you become a more active member as it would make members a little more comfortable to give you answers. Remember a lot of these seasoned members have been fishing for many many years and they have knowledge that surpasses most books through experience. I have learned that some members just simply point you in the correct direction and others give you a ride with a complete tour but it all depends on how active you are, What you contribute, and also how serious you are in to putting in the time and taking constructive criticism.
We are not always going to catch fish every time out but most of these members catch fish in better numbers and decent scale. So take the time to read, meet, socialize on the forum and then ask questions. If you do that, don't be surprised if you get a couple of nice PM with some really good tips!
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 07:45:57 pm »
Tong
You should really read up on the past treads from at least this year. You will learn alot about fishing kensico. Also if you wanted more details I suggest that you become a more active member as it would make members a little more comfortable to give you answers. Remember a lot of these seasoned members have been fishing for many many years and they have knowledge that surpasses most books through experience. I have learned that some members just simply point you in the correct direction and others give you a ride with a complete tour but it all depends on how active you are, What you contribute, and also how serious you are in to putting in the time and taking constructive criticism.
We are not always going to catch fish every time out but most of these members catch fish in better numbers and decent scale. So take the time to read, meet, socialize on the forum and then ask questions. If you do that, don't be surprised if you get a couple of nice PM with some really good tips!

well said.
"The sportsman lives his life vicariously. For he secretly yearns to have lived before, in a simpler time. A time when his love for the land, water, fish and wildlife would be more than just part of his life. It would be his state of mind."